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Back from Vienna, alive. I had an immensely enjoyable weekend, including seeing Rebecca again (more on which, hopefully, later) and [livejournal.com profile] fyrie killing my feet with all the walking we did ;)

One of the highlights of the trip was the temporary exhibition on Crown Prince Rudolf that's currently on at the Hofmobiliendepot. He was a deeply disturbed individual. One quote: "I have a deep respect for death. I often seek out dying people, to witness their last breath. Each of them dies differently. I watch dying animals as well..."

But what slayed me was a pair of photos of Rudolf clinging - there is no other word - on the arm of Wilhelm II of Prussia. Who, before the unfortunate moustache, apparently was a dead ringer for Jesper Tyden. And of all the Rudolf photos in the exhibit, the one with his arm through Wilhelm's was the only one in which he looked comfortable. On top of Wilhelm's documented predilections, I really do not need this plotbunny.

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Date: 2008-10-13 05:09 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] valancystar.livejournal.com
According to all the sources I've read on the matter, Rudolf and Wilhelm II couldn't stand each other. At least they loathed each others' political views, and as far as I know didn't like each other personally either. Rudolf was good friends with Wilhelm's dad, Frederick III.

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Date: 2008-10-13 06:32 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] valancystar.livejournal.com
My mind is refusing to go as far as Rudolf/Wilhelm, but that doesn't mean I won't read it if you write it. :P

I wish I could see the exhibition. And Hofmobiliendepot is one of the many museums I haven't got around to seeing in Vienna yet.

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Date: 2008-10-13 06:55 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] valancystar.livejournal.com
I put that on my mental list of things-to-visit-when-next-in-Vienna. That city has way too many museums and other things worth seeing. ;)

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Date: 2008-10-14 07:05 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fyrie.livejournal.com
Seriously, Rudolf looked more comfortable on Wilhelm's arm than he did when he was arm in arm with Stephanie ;)

(Also, Beth, according to our Viennese sources, Rudolf was definitely experimental ;))

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Date: 2008-10-14 07:10 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] valancystar.livejournal.com
Seriously, Rudolf looked more comfortable on Wilhelm's arm than he did when he was arm in arm with Stephanie ;)

Well, that doesn't take a lot. ;)

(Also, Beth, according to our Viennese sources, Rudolf was definitely experimental ;))

*raises eyebrows* Tell me more?

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Date: 2008-10-13 05:17 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] reynardine.livejournal.com
Austria-Hungary was probably very fortunate that Rudolf committed suicide. Can you imagine what he might have done as Emperor?

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Date: 2008-10-13 06:23 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] valancystar.livejournal.com
I can't say things went so swimmingly for Austria without Rudolf. In fact, had he been able to stay healthy and sane, he might have done a lot of good for Austria, because he was a very intelligent and progressive political thinker. Alas, with his heritage combined with his cruel childhood education and emotional estrangement from his parents plus weak health plus STD plus too little meaningful occupation in his adulthood, it isn't a wonder he went the way he did. Poor guy.

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Date: 2008-10-13 06:55 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] valancystar.livejournal.com
I think that the root of his problem (just like Sisi's, and to some extent Franz Joseph's) was that he wasn't cut out for power. He would have been a very happy deranged scientist-journalist type.

*nodsnods* Very much my conclusion, too. I need to get around to reading his writings, but I'm told that he was a very skilled writer and probably would have made an excellent journalist, and on the other hand he loved sciences and was very intelligent as such. With a more normal family and childhood, and with fewer pressures on him, he might have turned out a decent, accomplished person who just has some weird quirks but nothing so terribly disturbing.

FJ would have made an excellent ordinary civil servant, and I'm not sure what Sisi should have been but definitely not an Empress. If she'd become some more normal nobleman's wife, she could have gone on with her riding and poetry and done charity work (which she did seem to care about in her early years) but not have had those Empress-pressures on her, and would have gone a lot less crazy.

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Date: 2008-10-13 07:30 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] valancystar.livejournal.com
She would have fun with that. :D

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Date: 2008-10-13 11:49 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] tokugawa.livejournal.com
"I have a deep respect for death. I often seek out dying people, to witness their last breath. Each of them dies differently. I watch dying animals as well..."

Ohh now I see why he befriended Death and their friendship hasn't ended from there, ;)!

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